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Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Saudia Arabia calls for interfaith dialogue for the pupose of persecuting atheists

So the leader of Saudi Arabia, King Abdullah, has called for an interfaith dialogue. It sounds like a wonderful meeting of the minds. Read below:

“I ask representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith,” Abdullah told delegates to a seminar on “Dialogue Among Civilizations between Japan and the Islamic World,” according to the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA).
“If God wills it, we will then meet with our brothers from other religions, including those of the Torah and the Gospel… to come up with ways to safeguard humanity,” he added.
Abdullah said the country’s top clerics have given him approval to pursue his idea and that he plans to get the opinion of Muslim leaders from other countries.
 I love how people use words like "safeguard humanity" when they they really mean is "vanquish atheists and fags":
"We have lost sincerity, morals, fidelity and attachment to our religions and to humanity," Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world – a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish." [emphasis mine]
 While we most assuredly lose attachment to religion when we become atheists, this is one more example of atheism being linked to disintegration of the family (by this I think he means homosexual rights) moral depravity, infidelity, insincerity, and... detachment from humanity.

Now, I am all for having more atheists in the world, but it is not my goal to vanquish religion. I'd like to vanquish irrationality, the undermining of science, and infringements on mine and others' rights, but those are the negative things about religion. If there are no negative consequences, religion doesn't really bother me, and people absolutely have the right to be religious.
Abdullah's call for dialogue comes at a time of religious tensions caused by the re-igniting of a two-year-old controversy over Danish cartoons deemed by Muslims to be insulting.
 To me, there is a huge problem with this world - people think that they have the right to not be insulted.  If people drew silly pictures of me, or of anything else that matters to me, I might get insulted (probably not). But the fact that I am insulted does not mean you do not have the right to insult me.

Also, why only monotheists? Why not pagans, Hindus, Buddhists, pantheists, deists, spiritualists? How does this group of monotheists plan on vanquishing us?

In case you have not seen the picture that caused such an uproar, here it is.:

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12 Comments:

Blogger uzza said...

WTF, He wants to reach out to monotheistic religions against atheism...in JAPAN?
Does not compute!

March 31, 2009 4:12 PM  
OpenID kokopellinelli said...

Sooo...I don't get it. Is he a hot-head? Bombs on the brain? He's going to explode? Clearly, my grasp of symbolism needs work.

"To me, there is a huge problem with this world - people think that they have the right to not be insulted."

TOTALLY TRUE. Political correctness is one thing (if it doesn't get out of hand) but people insult other people. It happens. GET OVER IT.

I don't know where you find these scary-ass articles, Ziztur, but yeesh. When I was younger, I thought adults were supposed to be rational. I guess that's not always true.

Nelli

March 31, 2009 4:36 PM  
Blogger Gord said...

Nelli,

That picture is supposed to be a depiction of the prophet Mohammed. In the Islam-flavoured of religion, they are barred from showing Mohammed face to prevent idolatry.

G

March 31, 2009 6:14 PM  
OpenID kokopellinelli said...

Gord,

Okaaaaay...I've seriously been sitting here for about 5 minutes straight frowning because I still don't get it. Aside from the fact that he has a bomb on his head (which, if I read you right, isn't even the objectionable issue here) how can it be idolatry if the "idol" is the guy you're supposed to worship anyway? The reason these guys find this offensive is because it's representative of the face of a man whom nobody really knows what he looks like (holy crappily-constructed sentence, Batman)? I...just...huh?

I feel really stupid because I'm trying to make myself understand and failing miserably.

Plus, IT'S JUST A DRAWING. WTF PEOPLE.

Nelli

March 31, 2009 6:56 PM  
Blogger Gord said...

Nelli,

It is a WTF situation alright. Until then I was pretty ambivalent about Islam as a religion in general. Yes, September 11 happened but I always thought they are enacted by the extremist rather than mainstream Islam. After this incident, I began to really doubt Islam is a "religion of peace" at all.

Read this wiki page on the controversy:

Danish Muhammad Cartoon controversy

Then I began to read about what happened with Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, I was shocked to say the least.

G

March 31, 2009 8:28 PM  
OpenID kokopellinelli said...

It really seems like such a STUPID thing to get upset about. Like the world doesn't have enough problems, time to get angry over a freakin' cartoon. Makes me want to tear my hair out.

Nelli

March 31, 2009 8:35 PM  
Blogger Eternal Critic said...

I suppose it should be unsurprising they think the one thing they can get the big 3 monotheisms agreeing on is bigotry and who to hate.

April 1, 2009 12:02 AM  
Blogger BathTub said...

It's one of those inconsistent restrictions, but one that has lingered a long time. You aren't to make any graven images, I believe that oddly enough it's traced back to the 10 commandments (yes those 10). So just like any other rule it has it's liberal and strict adherents, at it's strictest you aren't really supposed to make images of any person I think.

April 1, 2009 12:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've advocated for a long time.... Let's drop a few NUKES on Saudi Arabia............. Just to see if their BULLSHIT DOG will protect them from RADIATION. I'd say we should hit MECCA FIRST! Those mother-fucking ARABS don't deserve to be living with thinking human beings!

April 1, 2009 8:47 AM  
Blogger Ziztur said...

Anonymous, you really need to rethink your position. "ARABS" don't deserve to die because there are irrational people in their society.

"vanquishing atheists" is hateful and intolerant

"bombing arabs" is worse. And you incite hate under the cover of anonymity - disgusting.

April 1, 2009 9:19 AM  
Blogger Flimsyman said...

Congratulations, Anonymous. You've successfully impressed upon us all the urgent need to commit genocide. What a brilliant declaration. So well-reasoned.

Really man, take a closer look . . . This blog is about skepticism and rationality. If you're looking to convince and/or recruit people to help with your holocaust, you picked just about the worst possible place on the entire internet to go.

I'll never understand this . . . Let me spell this out - Anon, you have made it painfully obvious that YOU ARE A DUMBFUCK TERRORIST. You have just made it clear that you are pathetically immoral compared to the vast majority of Arabs or Muslims! How does your intellect fail so hard, Anon? How old are you, for fuck's sake?

April 1, 2009 9:58 AM  
Blogger Gord said...

Anon,

Not to badger you but, how would dropping a few nuclear bombs on Saudi Arabia wil solve anything?

Think.

That is not a rhetorical question.


How would killing millions of arabic women and children do anything to help your cause, whatever that is?

How would it reduce tensions of terror attacks around the world?

How would it help to cause massive radiation fallout for Egypt, Sudan, etc.?

What would it solve exactly?

G

April 1, 2009 6:31 PM  

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